Friday 18 November 2016

"Flamingo's" Lister HA2 Engine Is Returned to the Boat.

(Boat Flamingo - posted by Alan)

(Retrospective post for 18th November 2016)


The repainted boat bottom can be seen in these photos.
Finally we were at the stage where Dave Ross was satisfied with the engine and gearbox, all now nicely painted up, and it was ready to put back in the boat.

Few pictures, and no videos this time, as it proved to be quite a delicate operation to get it lifted over and past various obstructions, and lowered down onto the bolt heads in the engine bed In fact it proved to be such a tight fit over these bolts that we became quite impressed it had ever come out in the first place!


We were strongly warned not to do anything that damaged Dave's paintwork!
There was now some considerable way to go before it would be up and running.  Everything needed connecting up again, and most things were being changed, including fuel pipe work, oil pressure gauge, speed wheel controls, and we had asked for completely revised gear rodding, yet to be constructed.

The previous arrangements for the speed wheel had retained the original Lister hand operated speed lever on the engine, which was highly unsatisfactory, being lumpy in operation, and refusing to hold on to the selected speed without winding off again.  We had decided to ditch this, as well as having any of the engine controls or dials or indicator lights on an engine mounted control panel.

Finally the boat was currently afloat, but with no propeller on it.  Even when this lot was all connected up, we weren't going anywhere yet!

Monday 14 November 2016

The "Flamingo" Propeller Story.........

(Boat Flamingo - posted by Alan)

(Retrospective post for 14th November 2016)




Ever since "Flamingo" was purchased, (and notwithstanding any engine issues), her performance has been decidedly lack-luster.  She took a very long while to get going, and although would achieve good canal speeds eventually, still seemed to need to have the engine driven at higher RPM than you might have hoped were required for the speed achieved.





However far more serious an issue was stopping, which "Flamingo" was really very bad at.  Even thrown hard into reverse, with the engine running very fast, she would only "scrub off" speed very slowly.and the final stop seemed forever in coming.  The very first lock we ever took her though I went in at what I thought was a ridiculously cautious low speed just in case.  I soon found myself with the engine flat out, masses of black exhaust, but not a lot happening under the counter, and I thumped the cill quite hard, being able to lose all the speed in the length available.

Locks we could deal with - just tackle them even more cautiously, but where you met boats at blind bridge holes on bends things could be "interesting" to say the least.  We certainly had our moments, though, fortunately, no serious collisions.

Also if you were trying to power round a bend, often the power to get the required steering was not adequate.  You were then faced either with trying to wind on more power, knowing if it went wrong a collision with the side would be harder, or throwing it into reverse to abort the move.  If you did the latter you lost most control, and often it would not stop in time then without at least some touching of the side.  I learned much about what "Flamingo" would not do going round, (or not going around!), the well known ninety degree bends in Cassiobury Park - something I have had no trouble with in another ex "Grand Union" boat.

OK, I know it is a big heavy boat, the cabin conversion effectively making it "part loaded", but things clearly were not right, so the propeller had to be suspect.  We already knew that the ends of two of the blades were somewhat bent over, which could not be helping, but we thought more was wrong than this.  Our visit to Brinklow Boat Services included our own first ever docking of the boat, so also the first chance to investigate the propeller.

The propeller fitted proved to measure up as 25 1/4" diameter - that bit is fine.  What didn't seem right was its "pitch" - basically a measure of how flat or angled the blades are to the boss.  The propeller was not marked with size, by Brinklow estimated it as less than 17" pitch, whereas most indicators would suggest over 20" pitch was needed with this engine gearbox and boat.

All agreed that a propeller with a larger pitch was required.  It should be possible for specialists to "re-pitch" a propeller, and we contacted a well known name in the business who thought they probably could.  The challenge was to get this achieved whilst "Flamingo" could stay in the dry dock, so Cath and I did a whistle-stop tour from Hertfordshire to collect the prop from Brinklow and deliver it to Isleworth, before returning home.  Sadly we had not been home long before they rang and said they could not do it - we would need to collect it next day, and were back to the drawing board!  They also said they thought the current pitch was less even than Brinklow's estimate, and hence it was even further from the kind of number we needed than we at first thought.

Another of the well known names for narrow boat propeller work was contacted.  They simply said that if the firm we had taken it to could not do it, they were not going to be able to either.  So we had no modified prop, and enquiries about replacements initially talked of months of lead time for delivery.

Then Dave at Brinklow drew our attention to FAL Scottish Propeller Services in Banffshire.  They might be able to supply us a replacement to arrive to go on before the boat had to come out of dock, and we started to go down that route, until Brinklow discovered the boat could not stay on dock as long as they thought.  Unfortunately our options to sort it out in a single docking were now exhausted.

However FAL reckoned they would be able to re-pitch our existing prop, even though another specialist firm had said they could not.  On this basis I dispatched it to them.  (Incidentally, the whole story of trying to hand over in excess of 20Kg of wrapped bronze propeller to the counter staff in your local post office could make an entire blog post in its own right!).

FAL reckoned the current pitch on the prop to be little more than 15", whereas general consensus was it needed to be at least 20" and probably as much as 22".  In the end I decided that 15" to 22" was a massive change, and I wasn't quite brave enough that that would not overload the engine.  We asked for 21" - still a fairly massive increase from 15".

Surprisingly quickly a shiny and very different looking propeller was back with us.  However by now "Flamingo" was re-floated without one, and the dock was not now available for a few more weeks.  No urgency then to deliver the prop to Brinklow - it could go with us on our next routine visit.  Everybody wanted to know if it would fix the problem, but that we would not know for some weeks!

I would strongly recommend FAL Scottish Propeller Services - not a name you might immediately associate with narrow boats, but very efficient - they did what they said, remarkably quickly, and at a reasonable cost.

Saturday 5 November 2016

We Might As Well Make It Look Smart Too.

(Boat Flamingo - posted by Alan)

(Retrospective post for 5th November 2016)


By the end of October Dave Ross had largely finished the rebuild of Flamingo's Lister HA2 engine.

We had agreed with him that as we had had so much done to it, it would be a great shame not to give it a proper coat of paint to smarten it up a bit.

Apparently the "Lister Green" that so many of these engines sport was not the usual original cover for those delivered as marine engines.  Even the broadly silver colour it had been was not strictly correct, although the engine is believed to have always been a marine one.

However we decided we like green, and that so many now are, we weren't going to get fanatical about what is correct.


Here are some pictures taken by Dave on his phone that show the transformation from the previous multi-coloured mess.